Extraneous Texts

Extraneous Texts

The Oracles of God

Ethiopian Texts

Jesus not a Man

After the 4th age

Lies

7000 Years

Extraneous Texts

 

There are many reasons why extraneous texts are untrue.  Often direct lies against Gospel teaching exist within these old texts.

 

The Oracles of God.

 

The oracles of God are given unto the Jews.  If it wasn’t written by Jews it’s not an oracle of God.

 

Romans 3:1 to 2  What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?  Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

 

Exodus 12:25  And it shall come to pass, when ye be come to the land which the LORD will give you, according as he hath promised, that ye shall keep this service.

 

Deuteronomy 4:1 to 2  Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you. Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

 

Deuteronomy 11:1  Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.

 

Ethiopian Texts.

Books and scrolls of the Ethiopian tradition. There are a lot of popular Christians who do not understand where the teaching of Jesus wrestling with the devil comes from. The New Testament does not record Jesus’ arrival to a burning hell, or the speculated fight which occurred with satan. The Old Testament does not record or prophesy of this.

 

Word of Yhvh Amos 9:7 to 9

הלוא כבני כשׁיים אתם לי בני ישׂראל נאם יהוה הלוא את ישׂראל העליתי מארץ מצרים ופלשׁתיים מכפתור וארם מקיר הנה עיני אדני יהוה בממלכה החטאה והשׁמדתי אתה מעל פני האדמה אפס כי לא השׁמיד אשׁמיד את בית יעקב נאם יהוה כי הנה אנכי מצוה והנעותי בכל הגוים את בית ישׂראל כאשׁר ינוע בכברה ולא יפול צרור ארץ

 

The words in Hebrew כבני and בני means “as a son” and “son” in the Hebrew but also have a secondary meaning. If we look in the next passage.

 

Word of Yhvh 1 Kings 5:18 (5:32)

ויפסלו בני שׁלמה ובני חירום והגבלים ויכינו העצים והאבנים לבנות הבית

 

Words with identical base structure in the Hebrew language appear. The first to appear is בני, and the second ובני neither are translated as sons by any of the English translation which was checked, over 30 were checked, and the translation was builder, craftsman, or worker in all other translations.

 

The words for builder and son are identical in the original Hebrew, the vowel markings were produced 600 to 1000 years ad during the developing of the Masoretic manuscripts. Thus is cannot be said that this word does not mean builder.

 

In Ezra 4:2, 5:4, 5:11, 6:14 the base word in verb form was used to mean “to build” when used in verb form. This in combination with the word נאם “to prophecy” which is a word that indicated someone was speaking God’s command or prophecy in the bible. Not only this, but the fact the passage occurs in one of the history books, should let us know there is more than one meaning to be found here. For time reference Amos live during the 1st temple period, which is the earliest date which fragments of the Book of Enoch was said to be found in Israel, the entirety of this book is only found in the Ethiopian language. There are however scraps of the 1st Book of Enoch also known as “The Book of Giants” found with the Qumran scrolls however they are very tiny scraps and the parts translated are not very coherant.  The nature of the book of Amos, which is derogatory towards the Etheopians, and the dated nature of the fragments of the Book of Enoch, do not substantially prove Hebrew origins for the book. This in fact substantiates the view that there were indeed teaching materials possibly of Etheopian sources being absorbed by the Jews during this time period.

 

It is a truth given both the derogatory nature of the bible passage concerning the Ethiopians, and the double meaning of the word son/builder, that God was angry with the Jews for adopting Ethiopian religion. This should be reflected upon in comparison to the next passage.

 

Word of Yhvh 1 Peter 2:1 to 8 “αποθεμενοι ουν πασαν κακιαν και παντα δολον και υποκρισεις και φθονους και πασας καταλαλιας ως αρτιγεννητα βρεφη το λογικον αδολον γαλα επιποθησατε ινα εν αυτω αυξηθητε ειπερ εγευσασθε οτι χρηστος ο κυριος προς ον προσερχομενοι λιθον ζωντα υπο ανθρωπων μεν αποδεδοκιμασμενον παρα δε θεω εκλεκτον εντιμον και αυτοι ως λιθοι ζωντες οικοδομεισθε οικος πνευματικος ιερατευμα αγιον ανενεγκαι πνευματικας θυσιας ευπροσδεκτους τω θεω δια ιησου χριστου διοτι περιεχει εν τη γραφη ιδου τιθημι εν σιων λιθον ακρογωνιαιον εκλεκτον εντιμον και ο πιστευων επ αυτω ου μη καταισχυνθη υμιν ουν η τιμη τοις πιστευουσιν απειθουσιν δε λιθον ον απεδοκιμασαν οι οικοδομουντες ουτος εγενηθη εις κεφαλην γωνιας και λιθος προσκομματος και πετρα σκανδαλου οι προσκοπτουσιν τω λογω απειθουντες εις ο και ετεθησαν”

 

 

Once reflected upon it becomes clear the Ethiopian people were not responsible for caretaking the oracles of God which are the plans for building spiritual Israel, but to the contrary caused those of Israel to become polluted. Also don’t forget, the oracles of God were given to the Jews.

 

Jesus not a Man

 

There is a major problem with popular Christianity, Jesus died so this brings a logical conundrum. If he received death then even with no commission of personal sin, there must have been some form of sin.

 

 

Romans 6:23  For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

1 Thessalonians 4:14  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

 

 

At first glance, this does not seem very important, except Jesus committed no personal sin.  The two verses in Romans and Thessalonians show this concept.  The wages of sin is death, and it is clear Jesus died.  What is really odd, is the Jesus has no commission of sin, yet he died, so how could he have earned the wages of death?

 

Hebrews 4:14 to 15  Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

 

The next verse specifies that Jesus was cursed, but not that it was a sin to hang on a tree.  2 completely different words with different meanings in the Hebrew.  It should be noted that curses in the bible were the God given consequences for sin, but not a committed sin.

 

Deuteronomy 21:22 to 23  And if a man have committed a sin H2399 worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:  His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

 

H2399 חֵטְא chêṭ’ khate

From H2398; a crime or its penalty: – fault, X grievously, offence, (punishment of) sin.

 

H7045 קְלָלָה qelâlâh kel-aw-law’

From H7043; vilification: – (ac-) curse (-d, -ing).

 

So how did Jesus sin if the cross hanging wasn’t a sin and he never committed sin?

Must have been in his nature, or mind, both point lead to the carnal flesh concept and back it up.

 

However this verse tells us that we are by nature children of desire, and speaks directly of the lusts of our flesh.

 

Ephesians 2:3  Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

 

Thus is it rather simple to prove because of Jesus’ death that he possessed a carnal or sinning inclined nature just like us.

 

Numbers 23:19  God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

 

Hosea 11:9  I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

 

There are no verses that say God became a man. In fact a curse is put on those that say otherwise.

 

Romans 1:18 to 23  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible G862 God into an image made like to corruptible G5349 man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

 

(ISV)Romans 1:23  and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images that looked like mortal human beings, birds, four-footed animals, and reptiles.

 

G862 ἄφθαρτος aphthartos af’-thar-tos

From G1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of G5351; undecaying (in essence or continuance): – not (in-, un-) corruptible, immortal.

 

G5349 φθαρτός phthartos fthar-tos’

From G5351; decayed, that is, (by implication) perishable: – corruptible.

 

So we have a contrast here, mortal perishing, dying vs immortal, undying, unperishing.  The issue is Jesus died, he perished, and he was mortal.  This goes against what is stated here to say part of God became man.

Another problem is actually the source material God says he created Jesus with.  The bible says that he was made of flesh.

 

Romans 1:3  Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made G1096 of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Galatians 4:1 to 5  Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;  But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.  Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:  But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made G1096 of a woman, made under the law,  To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

 

G1096 γίνομαι ginomai

Thayer Definition:

1) to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being

2) to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen

2a) of events

3) to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage

3a) of men appearing in public

4) to be made, finished

4a) of miracles, to be performed, wrought

5) to become, be made

 

In other words Jesus came into existence as flesh. The old adage “you can’t find what isn’t there” comes to mind.

1 Corinthians 15:42  So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.  And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.  The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.  As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

 

It would be a hard rejection to everything which is Christianity if we rejects Jesus as a flesh and blood human.  It is well know he given a greater body after his resurrection.  Before that time we know he was flesh and blood because he bled and died on the cross.

 

2 John 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

 

Romans 2:28  For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

 

The word flesh “σαρκι” is same exact Greek word spelling used in both previous verses and the next passage.  There can be no doubt given context this is speaking of a physical body.

 

Romans 7:5  For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

 

Hebrews 4:15  For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

 

In other words a physical body like ours which was prone to sin inclination. See also

 

Romans 8:3  For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likenessG3667 of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

 

G3667 root word is homo in other words the same.

 

G3667 ὁμοίωμα

Thayer Definition:

1) that which has been made after the likeness of something

1a) a figure, image, likeness, representation

1b) likeness, i.e. resemblance, such as amounts almost to equality or identity

Part of Speech: noun neuter

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G3666

 

G3666 ὁμοιόω homoioō

Thayer Definition:

1) to be made like

2) to liken, compare

2a) illustrate by comparisons

Part of Speech: verb

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G3664

 

If Jesus did not have the same sinful flesh we do why then does the Greek word say that he does? We have a variety of English words which use the same word building. To show an example of what this means in English today.

 

From Dictionary.com

 

homo-

Word Origin

  1. a combining form appearing in loanwords from Greek, where it meant“same” ( homology); on this model, used in the formation ofcompound words ( homomorphic).

 

 

John 3:1 to 6  There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:  The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.  Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.  Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

 

 

The odd thing is if Jesus was made of a part of God’s spirit this would have been spoken of somewhere in the conception and birth verses. Instead what we read is:

 

Luke 1:34 to 35  Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon G1909

thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow G1982 thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

 

G1909 ἐπί epi ep-ee’

A primary preposition properly meaning superimposition (of time, place, order, etc.), as a relation of distribution [with the genitive case], that is, over, upon, etc.; of rest (with the dative case) at, on, etc.; of direction (with the accusative case) towards, upon, etc.: – about (the times), above, after, against, among, as long as (touching), at, beside, X have charge of, (be-, [where-]) fore, in (a place, as much as, the time of, -to), (because) of, (up-) on (behalf of) over, (by, for) the space of, through (-out), (un-) to (-ward), with. In compounds it retains essentially the same import, at, upon, etc. (literally or figuratively).

 

G1982 ἐπισκιάζω episkiazō ep-ee-skee-ad’-zo

From G1909 and a derivative of G4639; to cast a shade upon, that is, (by analogy) to envelop in a haze of brilliancy; figuratively to invest with preternatural influence: – overshadow.

 

Neither word has a meaning of “in” which would be required to prove that Jesus was made from a part of God.  Also other people were born with the spirit for instance John the Baptist, or Sampson. Therefore unless a person chooses to believe that all of these people had part of God in them at birth, and were thus part of the Godhead, then the complete argument which states “Jesus has the spirit from a young age, so he must have been part of God at birth” or similar phrasing fails.  Passage quotes from a later date reference after Jesus’ baptism prove nothing, because by that point we have a concrete time set for when the spirit of God descended upon him.  Previous to this only humanity can be proven, and even with this even only humanity can still be proven because the Dove does not descend “into” him but “upon” him this is external.

2 John 1:7  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Jesus was birthed of Mary.  Mary was a woman who we can trace her ancestry back to Adam through either of the geneologies in the New Testement.  The concept of immaculate conception has no hold over this.  Flesh even if suppsedly immaculate is still flesh.

 

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

We know because of this verse flesh is not good. If God is good, and flesh is not, then Jesus is not as good as God.  Jesus himself claimed to be flesh and bone even after the resurrection.  This means even after his work of his salvation he was not as good as God.  The amount of goodness Jesus was, was very great, but not as much as God.

Numbers 23:19  God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

God via prophecy state he was neither a man, now was he the Son of Man.  Jesus told us he was the Son of Man.

Matthew 16:13  When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

This is why he is not God as good as God.

There is another reason why Jesus is not God.  Jesus is not as good as God.

 

Numbers 23:19  God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

 

Jesus himself claimed to be the Son of Man.

Matthew 16:13  When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

 

So Jesus claimed to be the Son of Man.

 

The phrases “God is flesh”, “God became flesh”, “God took flesh”, “God created himself as flesh”, do not appear in the bible.

 

The phrase God manifested or was manifest in the flesh appears in several verses.  The word appeared is the same Greek word as manifest.

1 Timothy 3:16  And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

1 Timothy 3:16  και  ομολογουμενως μεγα εστιν το της ευσεβειας μυστηριον θεος εφανερωθη εν σαρκι εδικαιωθη εν πνευματι ωφθη αγγελοις εκηρυχθη εν εθνεσιν επιστευθη εν κοσμω ανεληφθη εν δοξη

 

Notice how there is no punctuation in the Greek language, and the punctuation in the English emphatically represents the Trinitarian view.

1 Timothy 3:16  and  great confession exists to the righteous mystery God gave appearance in  flesh and in given spirit a visible angel proclaiming in the multitude with confidence in harmony raise up in glory.

There is no word for “of” in this verse between visible and angel.  Was Jesus an angel?  In the sense of a messenger yes.  The problem with the KJV translation and many others, is that in the Greek the aorist tense does not have a past, present or future tensing added to the words.  The second problem is the dative tense is not properly rendered into the English.  The dative tense represents an act of giving.  This refers to Jesus having been given God’s appearance.  In other words Jesus looked like God’s form.  While he was mortal, and also as an immortal.

John 14:9  Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

 

There are not many Christians who would disagree with the idea that Jesus looks like Yahweh.

 

This verse does not prove Jesus is God.  It only proves Jesus was given a form which looks like God.

 

If there is a book or ancient text which says Jesus came in the body of and angel of God or angel of Death, or a god, or The God, or any other thing than a fleshly man, it is incorrect.

 

After the 4th age.

 

The 7 days of creation #4 was the day light came into the world, and day #5 was the day of water beasts and fowl. Incidentally a crocodile (dragon) is a water beast.  Also of note is that the snake, dragon, leviathan are all used as synonyms speaking about the same beast.

 

Isaiah 27:1 to 2 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea. In that day sing ye unto her, A vineyard of red wine.

 

This is of course speaking of the destruction of the dragon in the Day of the Lord’s return.

 

1 Thessalonians 5:1 to 3  But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.  For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.  For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

 

Revelation 12:15 to 17  And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.  And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.  And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

 

The phrasing in Isaiah matches that in Revelation the translations in the Septuagint greek match the dragon’s description in Revelation.  At this point what a person believes about the dragon does not matter, only the prophetic time it appears in.  In the context of the chapter which is mighty symbolic, the only concern for us is the meaning of flood water. We know of course the Jesus was speaking of proper teaching in this parabolic message, and that the water of life, was the word he taught.

 

John 4:13 to 14  Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

 

This is the most perfect example of pure water, the gospel of our God.  This water by him was given by speech.  The next verse shows how this can change.

 

James 3:8 to 13  But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.   Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.  Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.  Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?  Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.  Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

 

This symbolic comparison describes the idea of a man’s mouth being the fountain, and his words to the quality type of the water.  Then with this being the case we now have a basis for comparison of pure water and flood water.

 

Pure water, is clean, has no contaminants, smells fresh, is often still, the bottom can be seen even at depths of greater than 60 feet. It cannot make you sick, and makes you healthier when you drink it.

 

Flood water, is contaminated, has an awful smell, frequently cannot be seen through, even at depths of less than 12 inches.  It can make you sick and often carries diseases which can cause death if no treatment is found, and the chances of making you sicker the longer you drink it is high.  The biggest indicator is turbulence.

 

Now consider this with me if a good clean conversation of truth of God is the pure water, then perhaps an angry large argument with ideas that aren’t Godly but based upon some other source from the environment those people dwell in, is the flood water.

 

This flood water would have come and did come shortly after the end of the 4th day in the 7000 year plan of God which was approx. 110 a.d. ± 10 years.  Noticeably the Nicaean creed was establish in 325 a.d. and both before and after this time there was a tumultuous disagreement over the nature of God and Jesus.  Which was not cleared up except by government edict of Constantine who gave persecution orders against the dissidents.  This did not clear up the controversy, but in many ways made it worse for centuries after.

 

Matthew 28:16 to 20  Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.  And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.  And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:  Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. G165 Amen.

 

G165 αἰών aiōn ahee-ohn’

From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): – age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.

 

G165 aion Greek grammar singular.

 

It is after this time that the dragon was both made and the flood water came out of it’s mouth.  Flood waters make it impossible to see to the bottom of any creek river or whatever that they are in, and in order to cross over you have to take an unknown risk, that is dangerous. Many people have died because of flood waters.  The false religion is no different.

 

Last what was spoken was that Jesus, discernment would be with the 11 disciples until the end of the age, and it would be trustworthy.  Which means when the last disciple died the 4th age ended, at that point in time the words of believers became untrustworthy.

 

To gain an approx. date of the change of the age we can use this verse.

 

Acts 1:11  Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

 

This verse specifically calls all of the people there men.  Under God’s laws given to the Jews 20 years was the age of a man.

 

Exodus 30:11 to 14  And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,  When thou takest the sum of the children of Israel after their number, then shall they give every man a ransom for his soul unto the LORD, when thou numberest them; that there be no plague among them, when thou numberest them.  This they shall give, every one that passeth among them that are numbered, half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs:) an half shekel shall be the offering of the LORD.  Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD.

 

This sets the minimum age for the 11 disciples to twenty years old at the time of the ascension.    This of course would have been limited by being martyrs.

 

Psalms 90:10  The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

 

Genesis 6:3  And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

 

The maximum age any man could be is 120 years old. The more normal is 70.  The likelihood of living for the additional 50 years drops the longer the life of the individual.

 

There was also a young man there among the disciples.  We just do not know who this was, and in fact it is often presumed the 11 were the only ones in the garden with him, but this may not be the case because the word disciples was used generically for all people Jesus taught, we simply don’t know for sure, there may have been a larger amount of people there.

 

Mark 14:50 to 52  And they all forsook him, and fled.  And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:  And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

 

Whether or not the young man from this passage was an apostle matters and it’s anyone’s guess as to if he was or was not an apostle.  If he was not then the base calculation age increases from 20 year up to possibly as high as 30, this reduces the formula and drops the year gap a few years.  For the sake of this study though we will use the base of 20 years to be safe, with the understanding that the apostles could have died sooner than this, thus ending the age earlier than expected.

 

120-70=50 year death range for old age

70-20= 50 years of life if no martyrdom occurred, and that person had just become a man under the Law.

70-30= 40 estimated years of life if no martyrdom occurred, and the person had been considered a man under the law for some time.

 

If we take the figure from Wikipedia of the latest Jesus was crucified 20th of Nisan 3796 then add 100 years for the maximum age the apostles could have lived. We get 20th of Nisan 3896, or at age 70 like is more normal 20th of Nisan 3866.  It is of particular note that it is very rare to reach age 120, or even age 100, less so age 70 or 80.  When we convert this to the modern calendar we get April 8, 136 at the most extremely rare latest date.  On the other hand April 11, 106 is more true, as near as it is to 70 years.  Thus the later the date from year 106 the more unlikely to be inspired.

 

The book of revelation is said to have been written prior to 106 a.d., scholar placement of the text is between 81-96 a.d..  If the John who wrote revelation was indeed John the apostle, it is very possible that by 106 a.d. he was dead.

 

At this juncture we may ask, why does this matter? The answer is this 325 a.d was the Council of Nicaea when the trinity was chose as a creed.  There is a 186 year gap between 136 a.d the latest the 4th age could have ended and the Nicaean creed.  This places the decision to choose to worship God as a trinity securely in an age when Jesus’ presence would cease.  Secondary to this the “Father of the trinity” Origen, would not even have been born yet, and neither would his teacher.

 

Lies.

 

There are several passages in the bible that states God cannot lie.  However there are also just as many passages that state that false prophets do lie.

 

Titus 1:2 to 3  In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;  But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

 

Numbers 23:19  God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

 

ISV 1 Thessalonians 5:20 to 21  Do not despise prophecies.  Instead, test everything. Hold on to what is good.

 

The biblical prescription is to test the prophecies if they are found in a lie, discard them, if not keep them.  With the biblical cannon of today, the majority of this has been done, the filtering of original language texts can also be accomplished within these book with relative ease.  The apocryphal works however, have on majority been rejected based on lies contained therein.  A person should not be willing to accept the writing of such a thing as truth.

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